Finally, if you disagree with the "reliable" status of Kotaku then I would recommend you start a new discussion in the link above that sort of discussion is not really appropriate in any one article, it needs to be decided on its own. Does this mean it is not a MOBA? If so that might be a problem because "MOBA" is one of the most popular user-defined tags for this game on Steam! I agree with Hellknowz's compromise: this game should be called MOBA-esque or based on MOBA elements. So we can see it mostly agrees with the definition, but it is lacking the units and structures. "MOBA games are a fusion of action games, role-playing games and real-time strategy games, in which players usually do not construct either buildings or units." Sure, I think all of this is fair. "The objective is to destroy the opposing team's main structure with the assistance of periodically spawned computer-controlled units that march forward along set paths." Certainly not, as Erquint correctly pointed out. ".in which a player controls a single character in a team who compete versus another team of players." Sounds fine so far. Battlerite certainly is a "Multiplayer" "Battle Arena" game that is played "Online." Lets take a look at the article for MOBA. I believe the main issue of whether Battlerite is a MOBA stems from the vagueness of the term itself. HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 17:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC) I would like to humbly present my unbaised opinion to prevent this from turning into a small edit war. And "reliable" means what Wikipedia considers reliable. You absolutely cannot use wording like "controversy", "dubious claims" or "not to be confused with community tags" without reliably sourcing this. But if there are any discrepancies, then we will use what secondary sources say. Official website, Steam store page or any like that are primary sources and not acceptable for anything but most straight-forward facts. Erquint ( talk) 13:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Kotaku is a reliable source as per editor consensus at Video game source review. Who even considers Kotaku a reliable source? In fact, its "Controversy" and "Criticism" sections are woefully outdated and need populating. I suggest doing a bit of a research on their integrity online. Calling Kotaku "reliable" figuratively hurt my brain really hard. I'm editing it again and you can have a reliable source this time. Here's a very traditional example: in most MOBAs a match can't end until the creeps have breached a base and thus made it vulnerable, completely regardless of how many PvP kills have been scored in a given match, but as a result of symmetry, the creeps can only achieve this due to players affecting them) You can't be defending it being a MOBA when the official website makes a point of not calling it that: Screenshot of the official website. And from my own personal, and, granted, subjective, observations, nobody doubts a game being a MOBA when there are clear dynamic elements present external of direct PvP confrontation, representing current power-balance by proxy which the players can have an effect on, by pushing, or gain personal benefit from, perhaps by way of farming, which ultimately decides the outcome of a match separate from direct inter-player interactions. I am your doubt, aside from countless doubts all over Internet. As experience proves, if there are any doubts - it's not a MOBA. Is Smash Bros now a MOBA too because there are unique characters with abilities? Or is Awesomenauts now not a MOBA, because it's not top down? There's a clear trend between the games that are truly MOBA - nobody questions them being a MOBA. Games of the same mechanics have been present long ago before the emergence of the term "MOBA". You can stop reading here but I will allow myself a bit of a rant now. HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 22:27, 14 April 2018 (UTC) Alright then, be it your way - I'll have you reliable sources. If they call it MOBA, then we will report it as MOBA, regardless if we think it's accurate.
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